[etherlab-dev] Support for multiple mailbox protocols

Jun Yuan j.yuan at rtleaders.com
Sat Jun 28 06:41:55 CEST 2014

Hi Gavin,

as you said, "If there really is concurrent CoE going on, it's not a good
idea to send two CoE requests in parallel to the same slave -- some slaves
can cope with that (and send both replies) but some may choke"

Yes, there is concurrent CoE going on. That's the problem I have with my
CoE application.

Are you sure that some slaves will choke with multiple CoE requests? Does
these slaves then support simultaneous mailbox requests in different
protocol, i.e. CoE and EoE, or CoE and SoE in parallel?
Do we always need to wait until the slave have a response mail for the last
mailbox request, before another mailbox request is able to send? I didn't
find the answer in the ethercat documentation yet.


On 26 June 2014 04:19, Gavin Lambert <gavinl at compacsort.com> wrote:

> On 26 June 2014, quoth Knud Baastrup:
> >> Additionally it doesn't look like you have any protection against
> >> concurrent CoE access (which TBH I'm not entirely sure whether this
> >> occurs, but Frank's patch 27 suggests it does), and I'm definitely
> >> not a fan of allocating/deallocating memory on each mailbox transfer,
> >> which is what it looks like you're doing.
> >
> > I believe that the check_mbox flag should work ok for concurrent CoE
> > access as well (however, I can as well not see how this can happen?)
> > as the check_mbox flag will ensure only one ongoing read request per
> > slave no matter which mailbox protocol.
> The issue, as I understand it, is that both fsm_master and fsm_slave have
> their own separate fsm_coe instances.  (Several other state machines have
> references to an fsm_coe but it's always handed down from one or the other
> of these parents.)  So it's just a question of whether fsm_master and
> fsm_slave can execute (their CoE related parts) concurrently or not.  Which
> I'm not entirely certain about from looking at the code, but I should add
> that after adding Frank's coe-lock patch I have observed cases where it has
> reported concurrent CoE access.  (I haven't been able to get it to happen
> in
> my bench testing but it has occurred in field tests; as a result I'm not
> sure exactly where it's coming from.)
> If there really is concurrent CoE going on, it's not a good idea to send
> two
> CoE requests in parallel to the same slave -- some slaves can cope with
> that
> (and send both replies) but some may choke, and the order in which they
> reply is not guaranteed.  So for one thing, your patch doesn't attempt to
> control sending, only receiving; this could result in both requests being
> sent, but the FSM that "wins" the check-lock might not be the one whose
> answer first arrives.  And the non-atomic check I mentioned before could
> result in both checks being active at once if they're coming from separate
> threads (which is less likely than sequentially concurrent access, but if
> you didn't want to protect against threads you wouldn't have used a lock).
> > Each fetch data datagram is already allocating memory corresponding to
> > the mailbox size so allocation memory is already heavily used.
> I don't believe so.  Each time it does call ec_datagram_prealloc, yes, but
> this will only allocate memory if the datagram isn't already large enough;
> it might take a few calls to fully expand the whole datagram ring buffer
> but
> after that it should be able to exchange datagrams of any equal or smaller
> size without reallocation.  (That's why it's a prealloc, not an alloc.)
> Conversely your version will always free/realloc on every transfer, which
> is
> what I'm objecting to.
> Regards,
> Gavin Lambert
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